Earlier this week I posted how some of my MFI Formula stocks had fared recently. A couple of the stinkers were TUP and BKE. They both had yields over 5%. So one of my readers commented to always avoid MFI stocks yielding over 5%.
Is this true? In some sense, it could be a warning that a dividend cut is imminent. Clearly we saw that with TUP. In my non MFI portfolio, I saw that with CTL this past week as well and DLNG dove 25% recently on a cut as well. Finally, I worry that GME is next. (as an aside, I do think it would be interesting to study what happens if you buy a stock that has cut it's dividend say 2 weeks post cut).
But these are anecdotal and we give no value to the names that yield over 5% that don't cut. So let us go to the data. First, here is a table that shows (by purchase year) MFI stocks by dividend yield:
Year | None | <1 td=""> 1> | 1% to 2.6% | 2.6% to 5% | Over 5% |
2006 | 10% | 12% | 5% | 35% | 34% |
2007 | -21% | -33% | -27% | -19% | -7% |
2008 | -8% | -11% | -17% | -11% | 1% |
2009 | 36% | 29% | 39% | 53% | 50% |
2010 | 3% | 44% | 14% | 18% | 18% |
2011 | -5% | -1% | 3% | 10% | 8% |
2012 | 19% | 29% | 29% | 49% | 29% |
2013 | 24% | 29% | 19% | 33% | 18% |
2014 | -10% | 64% | 14% | 6% | 15% |
2015 | -11% | 33% | 0% | 6% | -8% |
2016 | 14% | -6% | 22% | 21% | 15% |
2017 | 9% | -1% | 4% | 16% | 25% |
2018 | -7% | 0% | -1% | 1% | 6% |
Grand Total | 4% | 11% | 7% | 18% | 16% |
So if we look at the 2.6% to 5% (asserted sweet spot by reader) versus over 5%, we frankly don't see much difference. 18% versus 16%. And is it a recent phenomenon? No. In past 5 years 2.6% to 5% is 10% and over 5% is 11%.
Perhaps its makes a difference by market cap? Let is look just at over 2 billion.
Year | None | <1 td=""> 1> | 1% to 2.6% | 2.6% to 5% | Over 5% |
2006 | 17% | 16% | 15% | 38% | 64% |
2007 | -23% | -42% | -23% | -5% | 26% |
2008 | -1% | -18% | -16% | 6% | -20% |
2009 | 27% | 36% | 45% | 23% | 21% |
2010 | 6% | 50% | 7% | 20% | 35% |
2011 | -9% | -9% | -5% | 16% | 43% |
2012 | 4% | 28% | 55% | 52% | 58% |
2013 | 51% | 27% | 18% | 38% | 48% |
2014 | -4% | 6% | 6% | 6% | 46% |
2015 | -10% | -11% | -6% | 3% | 0% |
2016 | -3% | 8% | 17% | 18% | -14% |
2017 | 19% | -1% | 3% | 15% | -34% |
2018 | 6% | 2% | -2% | 2% | -9% |
Grand Total | 5% | 1% | 7% | 20% | 25% |
First, I should comment that since I take top 50 over 100m, the data starts getting thin here. But here you do see where Steve is making his point. While for all years, being over 5% has not been a problem (a stellar 25% annual gain), it has been an issue recently. Past 4 years -14%, which is pretty horrid.
I cannot tell you whether this is the start of a new trend of just an anomaly, but it does bear watching.
Is It Robust?
I mentioned that the data gets thin. He is same table. But instead of showing percent gain, it now shows counts.
Year | None | <1 td=""> 1> | 1% to 2.6% | 2.6% to 5% | Over 5% |
2006 | 62 | 23 | 40 | 26 | 18 |
2007 | 48 | 32 | 28 | 11 | 24 |
2008 | 54 | 12 | 27 | 3 | 5 |
2009 | 63 | 10 | 26 | 20 | 9 |
2010 | 77 | 7 | 11 | 13 | 18 |
2011 | 101 | 8 | 18 | 34 | 13 |
2012 | 49 | 15 | 22 | 74 | 14 |
2013 | 25 | 6 | 83 | 85 | 44 |
2014 | 55 | 11 | 83 | 78 | 22 |
2015 | 41 | 3 | 68 | 77 | 25 |
2016 | 67 | 3 | 55 | 75 | 15 |
2017 | 81 | 2 | 57 | 66 | 20 |
2018 | 66 | 1 | 92 | 68 | 12 |
Grand Total | 789 | 133 | 610 | 630 | 239 |
So 2015 through 2018 (the years of -14% for stocks over $2b in market cap and 5% yield or higher have 72 stock years. That is 18 per year which means just 1.5 each month. So my thesis is that is is the same stocks stock month by stock month that are driving this results (an one rhymes with Same Gop.
Let us now look at the individual stocks from 2015 and forward in that category just to see how robust it is:
Stock | Initial Price | End Price | Percent Change |
BKE | 39.73 | 26.82 | -32.5% |
BKE | 44.69 | 31.32 | -29.9% |
BKE | 47.32 | 31.75 | -32.9% |
BKE | 47.78 | 28.42 | -40.5% |
CALM | 51.98 | 37.95 | -27.0% |
CALM | 50.03 | 41.40 | -17.3% |
CALM | 45.23 | 44.18 | -2.3% |
CALM | 54.63 | 40.35 | -26.1% |
CALM | 52.18 | 38.16 | -26.9% |
CJREF | 8.68 | 3.27 | -62.3% |
CJREF | 9.05 | 2.85 | -68.5% |
CJREF | 9.29 | 3.10 | -66.6% |
EAF | 11.44 | 14.23 | 24.4% |
GME | 18.82 | 15.27 | -18.9% |
GME | 19.65 | 14.83 | -24.5% |
GME | 19.75 | 14.57 | -26.2% |
GME | 20.50 | 12.67 | -38.2% |
GME | 20.94 | 13.86 | -33.8% |
GME | 20.81 | 12.62 | -39.3% |
GME | 24.46 | 15.97 | -34.7% |
GME | 22.63 | 17.06 | -24.6% |
GME | 23.51 | 17.95 | -23.7% |
GME | 24.15 | 17.42 | -27.9% |
GME | 22.35 | 19.34 | -13.5% |
GME | 25.80 | 20.66 | -19.9% |
GME | 29.14 | 21.50 | -26.2% |
GME | 23.51 | 21.61 | -8.1% |
GME | 27.22 | 22.22 | -18.4% |
GME | 29.06 | 22.55 | -22.4% |
GME | 24.87 | 24.31 | -2.3% |
GME | 26.61 | 25.26 | -5.1% |
HPQ | 9.35 | 14.80 | 58.3% |
KING | 14.96 | 18.00 | 20.3% |
KING | 13.50 | 18.00 | 33.3% |
KING | 15.47 | 18.00 | 16.4% |
KING | 14.08 | 18.00 | 27.8% |
KING | 16.76 | 18.00 | 7.4% |
KING | 15.53 | 18.00 | 15.9% |
MO | 56.84 | 48.74 | -14.3% |
PBI | 11.82 | 7.14 | -39.7% |
PBI | 10.29 | 5.91 | -42.6% |
PBI | 11.68 | 7.26 | -37.8% |
PBI | 14.43 | 8.68 | -39.8% |
PBI | 14.24 | 8.57 | -39.8% |
PBI | 13.91 | 8.76 | -37.0% |
PBI | 12.50 | 10.84 | -13.2% |
PBI | 12.33 | 10.89 | -11.6% |
PBI | 13.23 | 12.64 | -4.4% |
PBI | 14.94 | 12.85 | -14.0% |
PBI | 14.30 | 11.18 | -21.8% |
PBI | 13.99 | 9.90 | -29.2% |
PPC | 19.86 | 18.76 | -5.5% |
PPC | 19.78 | 18.99 | -4.0% |
PPC | 18.81 | 18.18 | -3.4% |
PPC | 17.00 | 21.64 | 27.3% |
PPC | 18.83 | 21.12 | 12.2% |
PPC | 18.63 | 22.84 | 22.6% |
PPC | 19.63 | 23.24 | 18.4% |
PPC | 21.42 | 24.94 | 16.4% |
PPC | 22.91 | 24.84 | 8.4% |
PPC | 23.62 | 23.95 | 1.4% |
PPC | 23.71 | 24.09 | 1.6% |
PPC | 27.43 | 23.71 | -13.6% |
STX | 38.59 | 45.71 | 18.5% |
STX | 42.36 | 45.71 | 7.9% |
STX | 38.15 | 45.71 | 19.8% |
TUP | 39.59 | 29.73 | -24.9% |
TUP | 42.51 | 29.73 | -30.1% |
TUP | 42.99 | 29.73 | -30.8% |
TUP | 45.73 | 29.73 | -35.0% |
TUP | 48.08 | 29.73 | -38.2% |
WDC | 36.97 | 47.65 | 28.9% |
Pretty dismal. The only decent ones are KING and PPC and they were both in there via special dividends. PBI, TUP and GME are the regular offenders.
Finally, let look at next layer down, those with market cap between 600m and 2b.
Year | None | <1 td=""> 1> | 1% to 2.6% | 2.6% to 5% | Over 5% |
2006 | 8% | 5% | 12% | 33% | 47% |
2007 | -12% | -14% | -27% | -29% | 3% |
2008 | -11% | 6% | -15% | -2% | 7% |
2009 | 37% | 34% | 59% | 107% | 42% |
2010 | 5% | 42% | 72% | 28% | 13% |
2011 | -14% | 10% | 15% | 9% | 26% |
2012 | 25% | 37% | 8% | 45% | 21% |
2013 | 9% | 48% | 41% | 20% | 31% |
2014 | 2% | 62% | 20% | 7% | -25% |
2015 | -20% | 0% | 2% | 4% | -38% |
2016 | 7% | 0% | 43% | 20% | 14% |
2017 | 9% | 0% | 6% | 4% | 35% |
2018 | -9% | 0% | 10% | 23% | 1% |
Grand Total | 2% | 19% | 13% | 19% | 17% |
I don't see the same issue here. Past 4 years the over 5% band hasn't been materially worse.
My View
Interesting thoughts. People have to make up their own mind. I think data is too thin and I am encouraged that if you go all the way back, over 5% has been fine. But there is no denying that it has been a rugged run.
Next I will try to find stocks that have cut dividend and what happened afterwards!
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